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Title: Volley Fire
Post by: anyman82 on June 13, 2011, 01:02:15 pm
I was just thinking, volley fire might actually be a fairly effective way of dealing with oncoming hoards.

Example of what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI (Skip to about 2:45)

It would take them down in waves, instead of one at a time, giving the squad more stopping power and knocking back the zeds behind the front more effectively.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 14, 2011, 12:52:26 am
The great thing about modern guns is that you dont even have to volley fire. In that youtube clip they had a single round before having to reload. Modern guns on average have 30 rounds in a magazine. I do agree that lining up in a line is beneficial as is aiming before firing each shot. The idea in World war Z of using a line of soldiers with semi automatic rifles is a good one. It is probably the most efficient way of dealing with zombie hordes in the open.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Synaster on June 14, 2011, 02:47:23 am
Yeah, it's a good idea with modern guns, provided there's enough guns, ammo and people. If you and the other guys are all in a line like that, you'd better make sure someone's covering your back or that zeds can't sneak up on you.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Fiveofclubs on June 14, 2011, 11:33:38 am
Excellent movie.  Volley is very effective with less accurate or slower rate of fire weapons.  It also promotes 2 key factors, shooting and combat discipline.  When facing an advance, and concentrating on commands troops are less likely to break and run.  That was a strength of the British forces all the way through WWI.  As for killing more of an advancing horde I agree that massed fire (tightly packed groups of shooters firing independantly) should be very effective.

Back in the early days of paintball my freinds and I would use volley fire, then paintball guns advanced to where increasing the "paint to air ratio" around your target became more effective.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 15, 2011, 01:53:59 am
I guess for farmers volleyfire might be a necessity against hordes of zombies. The military wouldn't have to worry about it though. Discipline and training is definately the key to winning any combat.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Outlander on June 15, 2011, 03:26:51 am
Pepper potting could be useful also like when moving. Be able to cut down zeds as 1 half cover your movement and then you cover their movement.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 15, 2011, 06:21:29 pm
I dunno, I think that worked so well because the people have circulatory systems and blood, zeds would need either kneecaps shot out or heads...


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: SpookyElectric on June 15, 2011, 07:51:38 pm
isn't world war z a good example of a volley fire? When Todd (the soldier guy from Yonkers) talks about how they went to New Mexico and set up a base and had rows of two that held off hundreds if not thousands. Their training was firing on the range with a metronome. A monotonous and rhythmic firing in single fire.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Fiveofclubs on June 15, 2011, 09:21:00 pm
yes, and part of the reason for that was to keep them shooting slow well aimed shots.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 15, 2011, 09:30:19 pm
isn't world war z a good example of a volley fire? When Todd (the soldier guy from Yonkers) talks about how they went to New Mexico and set up a base and had rows of two that held off hundreds if not thousands. Their training was firing on the range with a metronome. A monotonous and rhythmic firing in single fire.

Yea I mentioned that before. It definately a good example of volley fire.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Outlander on June 16, 2011, 01:52:42 am
I must find this it sounds good.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 16, 2011, 02:47:05 am
I must find this it sounds good.

Its the only zombie book that has ever reached mainstream success. They are making a movie for it currently which should be good. The author is Max Brooks. Its a pretty good read. Although some of the things are a bit off the majority of the content is pretty realistic.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Outlander on June 16, 2011, 02:49:09 am
Sounds good  book store hear i go


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: --Pappa Cricco-- on June 16, 2011, 06:21:15 am
I think 2 lines would be better second damn open fire a reload time later meaning one line is still firing while the others reload being second line would be able to cover first line during reload and visa versa.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: anyman82 on June 16, 2011, 09:58:42 am
I think 2 lines would be better second damn open fire a reload time later meaning one line is still firing while the others reload being second line would be able to cover first line during reload and visa versa.
Agreed. I think.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 16, 2011, 10:13:40 am
I think 2 lines would be better second damn open fire a reload time later meaning one line is still firing while the others reload being second line would be able to cover first line during reload and visa versa.

That is true but I wouldn't be all that worried if it was the slow zombie. There would be plenty of time to reload. Plus you would be firing single shot so you have 30 rounds before you need to reload and some people would shoot faster than others. So you would still get constant firing rate.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: anyman82 on June 16, 2011, 10:20:32 am
That is true but I wouldn't be all that worried if it was the slow zombie. There would be plenty of time to reload. Plus you would be firing single shot so you have 30 rounds before you need to reload and some people would shoot faster than others. So you would still get constant firing rate.
Hmm, I'd have to disagree about having a single line. One of the biggest mistakes you can make with crawlers is to underestimate them. If we're talking about a hundred or two, then you'd be fine. But if we're talking Yonkers numbers (For those who haven't read WWZ, basically the entire population of NYC.) any break in fire, even if it's a few seconds to reload, will translate to the hoard getting closer, thicker, and more spread out. Repeat that several times and you're overrun.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 16, 2011, 10:42:51 pm
I would try to have some flame thrower action...


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Outlander on June 17, 2011, 03:27:14 am
Zombies in pitfalls :)kinda awesome idea, slows them down and keeps em trapped and i mean its a better defence than sharks with fricken lazers on their heads


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Cheez on June 17, 2011, 04:12:50 am
Depends on how many there are. If there's enough, they'll fill up the pit and the rest will just shamble over the top of them.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 17, 2011, 06:22:30 am
Hmm, I'd have to disagree about having a single line. One of the biggest mistakes you can make with crawlers is to underestimate them. If we're talking about a hundred or two, then you'd be fine. But if we're talking Yonkers numbers (For those who haven't read WWZ, basically the entire population of NYC.) any break in fire, even if it's a few seconds to reload, will translate to the hoard getting closer, thicker, and more spread out. Repeat that several times and you're overrun.

Thicker and more spread out doesnt make sense ??? Yonkers was completely retarded. They spent more time digging trenches than they did setting up good firing positions. Towards the end of the book when they start using the firing line to kill zombies I believe it was a single line of soldiers. After you have finished reloading you will simply kill them and push them back and they will not have gained any ground.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: anyman82 on June 17, 2011, 09:30:41 am
Thicker and more spread out... Hmm, admittedly not the best of terms to use. Imagine a Tsunami. It spreads out as it hits land, but the massive amounts of water behind it keep it just as deep and powerful as always (Until it runs out, of course). I wasn't advocating Yonkers as a model of how to deal with zeds. Good god that was stupidly managed. XD

I was talking about firing by ranks in this case. If you're all firing independently in semi-auto like in WWZ one line is fine.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Cheez on June 18, 2011, 04:35:12 am
If I remember correctly, in WWZ they used a double rank- one shooting, one waiting. When the shooter ran out of ammo, they'd swap places with the guy behind them, reload and wait for their replacement to swap out. Of course, if you were facing a massive horde you could have the front rank kneel and the second fire over their heads.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Jetraymongoose on June 18, 2011, 06:17:37 pm
Yeah, later on in WWZ they have two lines. They also have vehicles full of ammo for their custom rifles they built and people waiting to give them more ammo. They also had somebody who would tap them out and switch out with them. It worked in the book, and if you could really keep up the ammo and the slow speed, it'd be good, but you'd have to make sure they are only coming from one direction if its in a line. I think actually in the book they had a large square formed as zombies were coming from all sides, though I may be wrong on that one, I haven't read the book in a year or so.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Ricky S on June 18, 2011, 06:58:57 pm
Yeah, later on in WWZ they have two lines. They also have vehicles full of ammo for their custom rifles they built and people waiting to give them more ammo. They also had somebody who would tap them out and switch out with them. It worked in the book, and if you could really keep up the ammo and the slow speed, it'd be good, but you'd have to make sure they are only coming from one direction if its in a line. I think actually in the book they had a large square formed as zombies were coming from all sides, though I may be wrong on that one, I haven't read the book in a year or so.

No, you are right on that. They made a box formation and just plinked away at the zombie walking towards them. Although now that I think about it wouldnt a circle be more effective if they are coming from every direction? Considering that the corners of the box would be the weakest point.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Jetraymongoose on June 18, 2011, 07:17:18 pm
No, you are right on that. They made a box formation and just plinked away at the zombie walking towards them. Although now that I think about it wouldnt a circle be more effective if they are coming from every direction? Considering that the corners of the box would be the weakest point.

They probably had somebody on the corner watching outwards.


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Like that where the x's look diagonally. Also, imagine a better diagram then that...     


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 20, 2011, 12:56:40 am
If people where out in the open in a caravan, a circle would be the best bet, it worked for people heading west, it should work with Zombies too


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Cheez on June 20, 2011, 05:05:38 pm
A circle would be better for shooting, a square would be easier to make from a group marching in column. I guess that's probably why Brooks went with it.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Jetraymongoose on June 20, 2011, 08:00:33 pm
I thought they were going East? They ran behind the rockies (west coast) and hid.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 20, 2011, 10:45:55 pm
huh? I was thinking historically, when pioneers came West from the East in covered wagons, they would form circles at night and make camp in the middle as a defensible position against wild animals or other people.

but now your statement has me questioning how much I actually remember from grade school....


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Jetraymongoose on June 21, 2011, 05:45:11 am
Oh no, I'm sure you're right, I was talking about World War Z, they go from West to East.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 21, 2011, 12:20:45 pm
Oh!

I thought as much but I didn't want to assume and make an ass of you and me.  ;-)



Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Jetraymongoose on June 21, 2011, 09:03:25 pm
When you make assumptions you make an ass out of you and me... and mumptions...



Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: anyman82 on June 21, 2011, 11:36:26 pm
Ha-ha! Butt jokes. :humpingparrot:

Anyhow.


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 22, 2011, 02:36:34 am
LOL I have been looking for the opportunity too use that parrot...It's so suggestive though, if you've ever owned a parrot and know what its doing...


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: Outlander on June 22, 2011, 03:03:31 am
Hes just sharing the LURVE


Title: Re: Volley Fire
Post by: sangrebloom on June 22, 2011, 01:33:34 pm
LOL he loves you long time!