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Title: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Dodom on August 10, 2011, 05:06:36 pm
A question to the public!
Sewers?

One of the few weird places I never played in as a child was sewers, so I don't know how far can one go in there. I don't imagine it to be as easy to walk as in Ninja Turtles, but is it usually feasible? In case of zombies, could someone walk under a zombie-infested street safely and out of their sight, or are they too likely to run into a too narrow passage and have to turn back/get out/get lost? Is it possible only under some cities? How about suburbs?


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: anyman82 on August 10, 2011, 06:00:57 pm
Sewers are way too unsanitary. (And sanitation is WAY more important after the apocalypse.) Maintenance tunnels are your best bet for underground. Dryer, cleaner, and more easily secured (Few to no manholes and no street drains). Many are also wired for lighting already, so it would be relatively easy to hook the system up to a generator.

(http://i995.photobucket.com/albums/af75/joybee4/Victoria%20Baths%20Sept%202010/DSC_0201.jpg)


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: AmadeusMaxwell on August 10, 2011, 06:04:42 pm
I'm not sure about sewers, but I know a little about storm drains. I lived in a suburban area, and the creek directly in front of my friend's house is one spot where it emptied to. It had about a 5' internal diameter, and it ran underneath every street large enough to warrant storm drains; smaller streets that dead ended had little tunnels going to them only about 3' in diameter. We played around in them quite a bit, just seeing how far they would go. We considered playing pranks with them by chucking fireworks out of the openings in the streets, as it would be doubtful people would ever realize where it came from, but we never did.

It could very easily be used to escape zombies, but there was usually some amount of water standing in them, and lots of very nasty creatures living there too...I guess it's better than having your brains eaten. I'd be surprised to find any zombies down there, I'd be more worried about where you decided to exit at, you can't exactly get a great view without just sticking your head up.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Ricky S on August 10, 2011, 10:56:15 pm
I played in storm waters drains. Most of the time me and my friend just hung around the entrance and pretended we were cool kids(we were about 15 at the time). Then one day we decided to make a proper go of it. We both got a torch put boots on and tied string to a tree at the entrance and entered. It was so dark inside. It was pretty difficult walking and without the torches you would be able to see nothing. There were a couple of rats that ran away as soon as they saw the light. We went as far as the string allowed which was about 100m.

I would not want to go through drains or sewers in a zombie apocalypse. There may be no zombies in there but even if there is one they are a huge threat. There is a limited path you can run away on. It is dark and you may miss a zombie submerged in water or down another pipe. And as AmadeusMaxwell said you cant see what is on the other side. I for one dont want to just pop my head up in a random street. Remember dawn of the dead? Those zombies would have attacked them as soon as they opened the manhole.

I would rather face 100 zombies in the open than 1 in the sewers.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on August 11, 2011, 11:42:18 pm
All the storm drains I played in were way too small. We had to crouch to walk, you couldn't lay down very well, they had the potential to flood, and they carried sound too well.
I'm sure they would make zombie travel extremely difficult, but really, it'd be the most terrifying place I can think of.
Also, they'd be too narrow to swing a weapon, and gunfire would both have the potential to ricochet wildly, and would almost certainly blow your ear drums out.
Now I want to go explore those again...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Log! on August 12, 2011, 08:33:43 am
WHY DO I KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS THREAD!?

*Runs away flailing before having another panic attack*


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on August 12, 2011, 02:29:39 pm
Ive played enough LEft 4 Dead 2 to know that the sewers are a bad idea.

Fucking smokers..


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Grey Wolf on August 23, 2011, 12:58:00 am
I'm kinda worried about the prospect of homeless people getting infected and dying down there. Ive heard that at any one time there can be up to 300 or more people living in tunnels and sewers.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Ricky S on August 23, 2011, 07:59:13 am
I'm kinda worried about the prospect of homeless people getting infected and dying down there. Ive heard that at any one time there can be up to 300 or more people living in tunnels and sewers.

Thats actually quite scary. There really shouldn't be so many homeless people in this day and age. But as to them getting infected they are most likely the first to be infected in an outbreak. They would be in open areas and completely exposed. Also depending on how smart the zombies are you wouldn't notice anything as they numbers swell through homeless people. The idea of facing 300 or more zombies in tunnels is horrifying.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: anyman82 on August 23, 2011, 10:13:51 am
Thats actually quite scary. There really shouldn't be so many homeless people in this day and age. But as to them getting infected they are most likely the first to be infected in an outbreak. They would be in open areas and completely exposed. Also depending on how smart the zombies are you wouldn't notice anything as they numbers swell through homeless people. The idea of facing 300 or more zombies in tunnels is horrifying.
I'm thinking the Parisian catacombs in WWZ... *Shudders*


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Ricky S on August 24, 2011, 08:07:48 pm
I'm thinking the Parisian catacombs in WWZ... *Shudders*

Whats worse was North Korea (I think) their entire population was locked under ground. Imagine the parisian catacombs and times that by a million.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: FireFog on August 26, 2011, 06:24:07 am
Sewers or drains seems to be a bad idea for me, aside from the health issues (only for the sewers as most drains I visited were cleaner)  :

There is a lot of long 2-entries tunnels and few access points : it would be very easy to get trapped by a rather small number of zombies and the patrol duty would be rather tedious (as some areas are less practicable). Transportation of large equipment from the outside to the drains would also be problematic...

One solution I thought of would be to dig entries to some houses' basements, which is possible in drains but not everywhere in places like this :

     
(click to show/hide)
The thinners walls are easily spotted as they were bricked way later than the tunnels.

However, this solution does not appears to me as the smartest : we wouldn't know what's behind the wall and we would have an "easy entry" into the sewers (but a smarter idea than cutting the iron bars separating the drains of the outside because in my city's drains, they always end up in very populated areas)

One great advantage of the drains is the easy conduction of sound : a gunfire or a shout would be heard very far in the tunnels.
Moreover, it would take only an exterior jerk leaving the manhole opened to have an invasion of zombies... plus, I will not be the only person to have this idea so there will be a non-negligible amount of people there...

That's why I wouldn't settle too long in sewers or drains.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Dodom on August 26, 2011, 06:48:39 am
My question wasn't about dwelling in the sewers, but using them as an escape route.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Opus Fluke on August 26, 2011, 07:14:27 am
Navigation could be a problem, but then again maps and schematics are usually a matter of public record. Sewer maintenance workers I've seen wear rubber waders and shoulder length gloves (think fishing gear). Other than that the risks are light since the major obstacle is knowing your way around and being able to see what you're doing. Urban exploration web sites (of which there are legion and can be searched by country/major city) should hold some good advice. The activity itself is a bit of a legal grey area. As an escape plan it has merit: above ground will be packed with wreckage, both mechanical and human.
*ADDENDUM*
Rereading this post makes me realise how paranoid I really am...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on August 28, 2011, 02:50:44 pm
I wanna lay mines in the sewers...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: sok on August 28, 2011, 05:38:03 pm
Sewers were widely used by polish soldiers during the '44 warsaw uprising, as hiding places and transport routes. they were unsanitary, but being in an unsanitary place is better than being dead. so, i think that it could be done.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on August 28, 2011, 07:33:14 pm
Stan, you realize that mines are terrible idea is every way? They'd only blow a leg or so off a zombie, and are hard to find and easy to forget.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on August 28, 2011, 07:42:52 pm
nonon, i just want to blow the sewers. primarily because im pretty sure that the ones here are too small for people.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on August 29, 2011, 10:35:42 am
Mines aren't demolitions. And why would you want to do that? It'd be a waste of time, resources, cause more stuff to repair when it's all over, and make any roads on the surface impossible to drive on.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on August 29, 2011, 10:54:39 pm
Iunno, just for somehtin to do.

And in my apocolypse, things dont GO "back to normal"

the current situation would just become normal...

It'd be like something that would never happen. Like an absent thought.

"I wanna blow the sewers..."
same as
"I wanna fly a blimp into the sun"


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on August 30, 2011, 01:42:58 am
Well, there went any sense of rational thought.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on August 30, 2011, 01:51:51 am
But still, sewers? I dont think so. Theres too much bacteria down there.

STORM DRAINS?

Now theres an idea. Just dam one up, irrigate the water, and viola, you got a bunker... I think...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Gromitooth on August 30, 2011, 06:39:01 am
"I wanna fly a blimp into the sun"

:Writes this down for further study at a later date:


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on August 30, 2011, 08:41:06 am
Storm drains are almost never big enough to be used comfortably. You'd have to be crawling through pitch-black pipes with who knows what kind of debris, and you'd have to do it with whatever gear you have on you, and God help you if you misfire or shoot in that pipe because it is going to ricochet everywhere.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: AmadeusMaxwell on August 30, 2011, 10:29:28 am
...and God help you if you misfire or shoot in that pipe because it is going to ricochet everywhere.
You also better have ear protection else your sudden deafness & bleeding from the ears will be a problem. :P


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on August 30, 2011, 02:18:17 pm
as an effective means of travel? No. but the storm drains by the Bow river are like... have this bit concrete opening and a big grated pipe. I think THOSE are for people and the sewers are for poop and dead fish. too small for people.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on August 31, 2011, 10:07:44 am
I don't think most storm drains are made for people to enter. I think they're designed so that you have to dig up the ground over it to work on it. Either way, a storm drain would only be a viable method of transportation in an emergency, and if you had little to no gear on you. But still, you'd have to worry about debris, POSSIBLE zombie crawlers, small animals, and not getting lost. I would avoid them unless I had no other option.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: sangrebloom on September 05, 2011, 01:36:17 am
Just the idea of escaping a zombie Apocalypse  underground is horrifying.  living in the dark earth, not seeing the sun shine or hear the wind passing by.   Just shitting, eating and sleeping in the dark, crawling on all fours like a creature through tunnels in the dark or even by flashlight.  All of that is enough to wish for a swift death when it came to it. 


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: FireFog on September 06, 2011, 04:06:06 am
My question wasn't about dwelling in the sewers, but using them as an escape route.
Sorry, I missed the point of the topic  :-X

I mostly agree with the other posters : you have to know where you are going, have the fewest things possible on you... and even if you are less likely to run into a zombie, the smallest encounter would be deadly with the near-zero mobility and no easy escape.

The best weapon in my opinion would be something like a makeshift spear which could be used when crawling (a construction rod or a big pointy stick maybe ?)... the more I think of it, the more I find that engaging a combat in a storm drain/sewer would be very hard...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Dodom on September 06, 2011, 08:31:07 pm
Hmm, there's one good question about zombies you may encounter in the sewers...

Do they moan "draiiiiiiins.... draiiiiiinsss"?


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on September 06, 2011, 09:36:06 pm
If the world were like minecraft, and there were a zombie apocolypse... Would the underground be a good idea?


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on September 08, 2011, 01:18:37 pm
Only if you had enough torches or glowstone.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on September 08, 2011, 05:16:02 pm
what if you dug down to mantle or bedrock or whatever? with lava?


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Ricky S on September 09, 2011, 09:55:24 am
I would imagine that it would be pretty easy, imagine all the traps that you could build! Also funnelling the zombies through a single block thick path surrounded by lava. You would just have to push them into the lava as they walk one by one across the bridge.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: LordSappington on September 10, 2011, 12:04:56 pm
Well, what I meant was you'd need enough torches or whatever to keep them from spawning. >>
And if you really want a zombie-proof home, make an underwater house with an iron door. Works for me...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on September 10, 2011, 12:05:29 pm
Oh no, I fear i have made this a minecraft thread.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: sok on September 10, 2011, 02:44:43 pm
Well, what I meant was you'd need enough torches or whatever to keep them from spawning. >>
And if you really want a zombie-proof home, make an underwater house with an iron door. Works for me...
floating one would be better, if zombies cannot swim. and its safer:P


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on September 11, 2011, 04:47:14 pm
No. Im refusing to let my monster go any further.

Sewers are a BAD IDEA.

In most areas (like where I live) gigantic storm drains down by the river are a GOOD IDEA.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: sok on September 11, 2011, 04:50:02 pm
In most areas (like where I live) gigantic storm drains down by the river are a GOOD IDEA.
unless there is a storm...


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on September 11, 2011, 05:01:23 pm
thers never storms in Calgary, little sprinkles sure, sometimes theres a downpour but really its nothing.


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Cheez on September 14, 2011, 04:50:25 pm
Then why do you have storm drains?


Title: Re: Stinky, but zombie free!
Post by: Stan on September 14, 2011, 06:36:04 pm
runoff. theres always massive flooding in early spring.