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Title: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 13, 2009, 03:27:11 am
Zombacon! has a bloggy thing now. (http://www.zombacon.blogspot.com) Go comment and such! Please? No? Okay...

Numero uno:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon01.jpg)

"DONUT!? I AM THE DONUT!"


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: mineplantingrunaway on October 13, 2009, 04:53:05 am
THIS IS MADNESS!!..oh,wait , false alarm it's just Sammich!.

Nice work anyway  ;D


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: DarkMilly on October 13, 2009, 07:42:35 am
LOL, love it! Very much my type of humour :P Totally random things that make no sense, but are funny for that reason!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on October 13, 2009, 08:38:56 am
Haha, awesome to the floorsome.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 13, 2009, 12:54:05 pm
Muchos gracias gaiz. And yes indeed, Milly, that is the greatest kind of humour. XD

I forgot how agitating it was drawing with a mouse. How I used to do it I shall never know...Need to get used to it again, I guess.

EDIT:

New one so soon? Oh my.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon02.jpg)

That filthy bastard.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: PwntheNoob17 on October 14, 2009, 06:55:41 am
Haha I love the look on his face.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: DarkMilly on October 14, 2009, 08:25:51 am
Lol, love it! Reminds me of one of my friends.. :P


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 14, 2009, 12:45:11 pm
XD Thank ye thank ye, hahah. Penis Fly might make more appearances. I have an idea for another one.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on October 15, 2009, 06:56:50 pm
That one didn't really do it for me.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on October 15, 2009, 07:11:13 pm
*flies in*
Penis
*flies out*


... happens to me everyday.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 16, 2009, 12:01:53 am
@Cheez: Aww...

@Dodom: XD It's totally common.

Also, if you didn't read the edit in the first post, I made a webcomic blog (http://www.zombacon.blogspot.com) for easy browsing. Only two strips up for now, but yeah.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 16, 2009, 09:37:03 pm
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon03.jpg)

A bit of a makeover on Z's part.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 16, 2009, 10:20:22 pm
awesome!  I posted comment on blog too!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 17, 2009, 12:21:32 am
Ahah, thanks. Yeah, I saw the comment. XD


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: DarkMilly on October 17, 2009, 12:48:18 am
Haha, I don't know where you come up with all this! I'm so unfunny... *envious*!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 17, 2009, 01:19:40 am
XD Gahah, thankye. It does take some thought though. I'm sure if you thought enough about it you'd come up with something good. :D


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 17, 2009, 01:23:56 am
I agree with Sammich.  For strips that have a loose story line, you can pretty much just put in gags about something that made you giggle that day.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 17, 2009, 01:27:12 am
Yup. :D Like, the first one, let's say, came about when I wanted doughnuts and thought about how funny it would be if I walked in and they just outright rejected me. XD Then I just added the um...extra bit.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on October 18, 2009, 07:25:03 pm
Now, that is comic gold.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 19, 2009, 02:23:35 am
XD Chunkya.

...Must think about what I want to do next....Hrrmmmburger...


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 19, 2009, 02:29:46 am
would a hrrmmmmburger be food for thought?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 19, 2009, 09:38:36 pm
It would be. Now that I think about it, I might do something with a hamburger...


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 26, 2009, 04:34:33 pm
where be the new comic?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: DarkMilly on October 26, 2009, 05:40:52 pm
Yeah, I want a new comic! :D


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 27, 2009, 12:51:29 am
Ahahah, actual demand? Okay. Well, I have one almost done, my mind's just been in a lot of places. I'll see if I can get it up by tomorrow some time.

...

Bowchikawowow!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 27, 2009, 12:55:25 am
I demand a daily output!  DRAW YOU DIRTY ART-SLAVE, DRAW!!!!!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 27, 2009, 01:52:20 am
D:>

*Leans over keyboard and mouse sobbing*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on October 27, 2009, 09:23:42 am
D:
*hugs, rocks gently*

The donut one made me laugh hysterically.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on October 27, 2009, 09:50:14 am
DRAW YOU DIRTY ART-SLAVE, DRAW!!!!!

D=>

*Hoses Sammich off, so he is not dirty.*

Jeez, if you gave him some personal time he'd be cleaner, jerks.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 27, 2009, 11:23:32 am
*Sobs on Ensouls's shoulder*

*Suddenly drenched*

.__.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 27, 2009, 11:30:54 am
you can only cry while drawing!  *activates taser*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 27, 2009, 02:39:05 pm
*Head rolls back and the comic flops out of his neck* :D

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon04.jpg)

Casual day, casual lunch.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on October 27, 2009, 03:17:54 pm
Ooh! Old woman is kinky! <3


Edit: and what is the tiny text in panel 2?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 27, 2009, 03:28:30 pm
And hungry. Hungry for blood.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 27, 2009, 10:17:17 pm
HOLY SHIT!!  that is very very funny....I agree Sammich, what's the text in panel three?  right next to the burger?

and are you squishing these sammich?  I think a little more height might be good....possibly?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 28, 2009, 01:05:20 am
El text says "giggle giggle". Yes.

Hmmm...No squishing, but I think you're looking at Z's text, which is a bit stretchy-looking by default I think. I'll have to fix that.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: PwntheNoob17 on October 28, 2009, 06:18:57 am
Haha love it.

Good work, Seņor Sammich.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: DarkMilly on October 28, 2009, 07:10:01 am
If he had legs and arms he would be less 'ball' like, and harder to throw, so taking off his limbs totally makes sense! >.<


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on October 28, 2009, 09:49:11 am
Aw xD Poor zambah. Having his limbs chopped off to reduce drag.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 28, 2009, 12:39:40 pm
Muchos gracias, all. XD

If he had legs and arms he would be less 'ball' like, and harder to throw, so taking off his limbs totally makes sense! >.<

Yup, pretty much. Angry (and hungry) granny knows physics.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on October 29, 2009, 07:54:16 am
Aw xD Poor zambah. Having his limbs chopped off to reduce drag.

Such a terrible shame. There's absolutely nothing wrong with zambahs in drag.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: TeeZee on October 29, 2009, 08:20:53 am
Such a terrible shame. There's absolutely nothing wrong with zambahs in drag.

Azzy does not disagree. Fluffy, however, is dreading this.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on October 29, 2009, 09:20:55 am
*snickers wildly*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 29, 2009, 08:20:40 pm
...

...Now I'm contemplating making a couple cameos....


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: --Pappa Cricco-- on October 29, 2009, 08:24:23 pm
Doo eeeet


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on October 29, 2009, 08:44:49 pm
Will it look like this?
(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll320/Matantedodo/wrong.jpg)


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 29, 2009, 08:50:09 pm
omg...that is so wrong...but funny.  Sorry Ma'am.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on October 29, 2009, 09:06:26 pm
It's not my fault, it's TZ's! He dreamed it first!!!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Ralion on October 29, 2009, 10:21:23 pm
Oh god, it's the ma'amtrain all over again.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on October 29, 2009, 10:32:48 pm
Why? WHYYYYY??? D:


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on October 29, 2009, 11:02:24 pm
speaking of cameos...I haven't seen one in Half's Quarters for a while...


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 30, 2009, 01:54:29 am
XD HAHAH. Oh gawd. *Dies everywhere*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on October 30, 2009, 05:48:57 am
*Laughs until butter is excreted*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on October 31, 2009, 06:45:41 pm
HAPPEH HARROREEN.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon05.jpg)

*Throb throb*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on November 01, 2009, 02:05:41 am
I think the third panel balloon would go better with the title if he said "I'm THE MAN"

and you have to fight The Man!!!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 01, 2009, 02:18:30 am
XD Hahah, I was thinking about it, but I found having just a random big-chinned man come up to your door asking for candy hilarious.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on November 01, 2009, 02:19:49 am
he reminds me of that one guy from MIB2

(http://www.disclose.tv/files/photos/fae0b27c451c728L.jpg)

The Ballchinian


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 01, 2009, 03:24:22 am
XD Hahahah! I remember that guy.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: DarkMilly on November 01, 2009, 06:18:24 pm
That chin is many types of wrong :P.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 02, 2009, 05:18:17 am
And yet many types of right!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on November 02, 2009, 07:24:03 pm
Hahaha! And such a manly man he is.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Buddleia on November 07, 2009, 12:53:17 pm
At least he got his limbs back from Crazy Hungry Granny.

Moar pls ^.^


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 09, 2009, 12:21:55 am
XD Duct tape goes a long way.

Aye, I'm currently trying to choose between a few pages to do. They shall be up in due time.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Grammer on November 09, 2009, 10:09:02 am
Do them all. At once! You are a squid, aren't you? Or did i mix you up with someone again?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 09, 2009, 07:44:34 pm
I am not a squid. However, I am a Porksquid. Of Mighty Cromulence. :D

I might do them all at once. Though I can't literally work on them all at the same time. If I do them one after the other, there should be a steady flow of a few until I finish. Yeah, I'll do that. I shall start on it tomorrow when it's not late and I know I won't fall asleep. Though the good thing about doing the comic late is that my mind gets weirder....But that's only when I open the comic up and just wing it. Otherwise I just brainstorm at night.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 23, 2009, 10:17:49 pm
Yeah, I totally said I'd have this done way before.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon06.jpg)

Yes, reoccurring is spelled wrong. But I don't care. >:C And no, this wasn't supposed to be the funniest page in the world. XD

...

Also, bag.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on November 23, 2009, 11:38:05 pm
Also, bag.

OMG!!  Ninjas ate his potato chips!!!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 24, 2009, 02:21:09 am
*Grin*

If you look closely, you'll notice that those aren't potato chips. XD


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on November 24, 2009, 02:36:07 am
I cannot tell...do you have a high-res version?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 24, 2009, 06:45:58 am
Here, try this one. (http://lanchester.deviantart.com/art/Zombacon-06-quot-ICH-quot-144622625) Though I'm not sure if you can read it perfectly. If not, no worries. The bag shall return in later strips.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on November 24, 2009, 04:46:30 pm
Inexpressive guy goes : D


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 24, 2009, 05:10:19 pm
XD Yup. Biscuit's face shows no emotion, so all of his emotions are displayed through emoticons. Why? Because.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Ralion on November 24, 2009, 05:29:40 pm
XD Yup. Biscuit's face shows no emotion, so all of his emotions are displayed through emoticons. Why? Because.
I didn't even notice that. How lazy interesting.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on November 25, 2009, 12:12:12 am
I think all real life emotion should be changed to emoticons appearing above one's head. [Insert Metal Gear reference here]


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 10, 2009, 12:28:59 am
Yuss.

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon07.jpg) (http://lanchester.deviantart.com/art/Zombacon-07-quot-HWT-quot-146276251)

If only they were on drugs.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Ralion on December 10, 2009, 12:48:38 am
Best one yet.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on December 10, 2009, 12:57:35 am
does that horse (unicorn) taste like raisins?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 10, 2009, 02:07:17 am
Yes! And a thousand tears of dying orphans. ^o^


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on December 12, 2009, 02:31:14 pm
Best one yet.

Yes. Times two.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 12, 2009, 03:55:56 pm
Hmwehehe, tunka.

Oh, also, as you probably noticed, I changed Z's shirt. Just cause it didn't really match well. Now it does.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on December 12, 2009, 04:28:21 pm
*LE GASP*  A Comic character changing clothes?!?!?!  BLASPHEMY!!!!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 12, 2009, 11:33:03 pm
XD I know, right!? How on earth does one surpass the laziness to go about doing such a thing!? Pure Satanism, I say. Satanism and feces.

EDIT: Also, something I've been meaning to ask. Does anyone think the comic should be improved on anywhere? Anything that doesn't look or feel right? Something not so good that constantly catches your eye? Half the reason I even started Zombacon was so I could get better with my art and storytelling, so feedback on that type of stuff would help much.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on December 14, 2009, 06:52:42 am
The bottom banner is supertiny.
Uhhhhhh...


I think it looks pretty good, other than that.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 14, 2009, 07:04:09 am
It is? Hmmm...Okay, I'll make it bigger then. Muchos gracias, senor.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on December 14, 2009, 12:30:52 pm
what resolution do you make these at, Sammich?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 14, 2009, 01:56:15 pm
300dpi, Steve. And 12-quality Jpeg. C:


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 25, 2009, 03:06:11 am
Merry Christmas!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h254/dismalelysium88/Zombacon/zombacon08.jpg) (http://lanchester.deviantart.com/art/Zombacon-08-quot-TMSN-quot-147943008)

Yeah. Seriously.

...

Also, if that's too sexy for this forum, let me know and I'll just link it.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Ralion on December 25, 2009, 08:31:29 am
He should have known something was wrong from the winky face.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 25, 2009, 01:48:51 pm
Sometimes the joy of Christmas plays with the mind and makes people do stupid, stupid things.

EDIT: I failed at adding Duckie's "eye patch" in the last panel. XD I have done so.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on December 26, 2009, 04:39:05 pm
;________;
It's okay Z, there's always New Year- OH MY GOD FATHER TIME YOU PUT THAT AWAY RIGHT NOW.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 27, 2009, 09:59:14 pm
And so, Z was forced into solitude by the holidays, never to return to health again.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on December 28, 2009, 08:41:03 pm
Ooh. Arousing.  :humpingparrot:


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on December 30, 2009, 01:35:35 pm
Not as arousing as the Easter Bunny, lemmetellyouthat.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on January 03, 2010, 10:56:51 pm
Not as arousing as the Easter Bunny, lemmetellyouthat.

I concur Sammich.

(http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/easter-bunny-picture.jpg)
You're welcome, Boomstick. -ensouls


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on January 04, 2010, 02:05:05 am
You really like to push that whole "No adult content" rule, don't you?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on January 04, 2010, 02:19:01 am
She's as covered as a woman in a bikini is.  If you don't like it, I'll take it down.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on January 04, 2010, 03:33:46 am
XD Well, I remember a girl in a shirt and underpants was taken down, so I think this is definitely pushing it....


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on January 04, 2010, 02:33:25 pm
She's as covered as a woman in a bikini is.  If you don't like it, I'll take it down.

It's not that I don't like it, it's that it's against the rules. *Points at Ensouls correcting it*

Honestly, I'm surprised you've gotten away with half of the crap you've gotten away with.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on January 04, 2010, 02:37:42 pm
XD Thank you, Ensouls.

*Takes the Easter Bunny out to dinner and remembers to call her(?) after*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on January 04, 2010, 02:39:03 pm
Him.

Peter. Peter Cottontail.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on January 04, 2010, 04:55:11 pm
.....

>:C

*Breaks a cocktail glass, stabs the Easter Bunny with it, cuts him into pieces, and buries him in the lake*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on January 04, 2010, 05:59:11 pm
D=>


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on January 04, 2010, 06:43:45 pm
Sammich is a WOMAN? (I mean, he ends a date like a woman...)


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on January 05, 2010, 04:00:38 am
XD Yes.

*Bites the head off of his mate*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Boomstick on January 08, 2010, 12:20:03 am
Honestly, I'm surprised you've gotten away with half of the crap you've gotten away with.

Well then...I guess I won't post any pictures whatsoever.  Because honestly, if a PG13 picture is not allowed, then what about some of the bloody evil pictures in the Awesome Image Thread?  Oh well.  Oh, and that Easter Bunny offends me.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on January 08, 2010, 02:03:01 am
Cool story, bro.

When's the next Zombacon coming out?

I know you can do it, Sammich.

*Massages Sammich's drawing muscles... Sensually.*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on January 08, 2010, 02:40:08 am
XD I need to figure out what I want to do first. I am a very lazy webcomic ar--

...

Why are you massaging my muscles sensually?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on January 08, 2010, 02:41:29 am
*Stops*

Because... You know... that's our joke. The joke we have. The joke we share.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on January 08, 2010, 02:57:15 am
I NEVER AGREED TO TH--Oh, you mean the sensually part. Yes, I remember this. Sensually.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on February 06, 2010, 08:10:59 pm
Hoorah:

(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6783/zombacon09.jpg)

When visiting new forums, be wary of the townsfolk. They might be fish people. Also, hosted on ImageShack cause Photobucket's resizing and image quality is fail.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dr. McNinja on February 06, 2010, 08:19:20 pm
Try www.imgkk.com for hosting, they're pretty good.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on February 06, 2010, 08:21:54 pm
Why do you allow a host to do your resizing? I upload things in the state I want them! (I'm a control freak)


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dr. McNinja on February 06, 2010, 08:24:41 pm
I think he means Photobucket compress and resize your images.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on February 06, 2010, 08:33:06 pm
If you upload them bigger than the size limit.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on February 06, 2010, 09:20:03 pm
@McNinja: I'll stick with ImageShack for now. At least until they wonk out on me.

@Dodom: Nah, resizing is too much work. I'd rather just use Photobucket for non-art related pictures.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Log! on February 06, 2010, 09:20:35 pm
Why is this comic so familiar...?


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on February 06, 2010, 09:35:12 pm
Poor Lanzambah. :c


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Dodom on February 06, 2010, 10:27:42 pm
Hey! The URL in the comic is real!


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on February 07, 2010, 06:49:02 am
@Log: Because of failure, Log. Because of failure.

@Ensouls: Lanzambah? XD

@Dodom: Correct! :D

Also, I posted this on the Destructoid forums (since I figured they could take a joke) and one of the responses was:

Quote from: Gyrael
Quote from: Manic Maverick
Shit and shit.
Yeah, fuck you, man.

It's hilarious what denial can do to people.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on February 07, 2010, 01:05:55 pm
Winnsmouth.


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Sammich! on February 07, 2010, 01:29:27 pm
Thanksmouth. :D


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: ensouls on February 07, 2010, 01:40:23 pm
Winnsmouth.
Damn that is clever. *steals*


Title: Re: Zombacon!
Post by: Cheez on February 07, 2010, 02:35:23 pm
Thankee much. :{D

*Elated that he was able to make a pun- last time, it took several hours to think of one.*