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« Reply #105 on: September 08, 2009, 07:17:19 am » |
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The way I see it, things are different for the punk genre. It's hard to take a band seriously if it's whining about The Evils of Corporate America while it's receiving millions of dollars from Corporate America, let alone changing their sound for the label.
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« Reply #106 on: September 08, 2009, 07:29:03 am » |
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That's a point. On the other hand, does anyone really take punk seriously anymore? It was a big thing, but now? I don't know.
But the end is, again, I 'm not a punk, and don't give a damn about the whole sell-out gig. If someone wants more money, that's their choice, as long as they make something worth listening to. Says the guy who never actually listen to song texts...
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« Reply #107 on: September 08, 2009, 08:38:09 am » |
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The formula for figuring out if a band is "punk" is very simple.
Major label = not punk. The two are completely 100% mutually exclusive.
Having performed any song or songs with the use of orchestral backing = not punk (the Ramones get a buy on this one because it was done at gun point, Phil Spector is a whack job...)
Other criteria can also be used to further whittle down your contendors but it's sort of like buying a Rolls Royce, if you have to ask...
No other genre is shot through with posers more than punk which is sad since punk is more about pure attitude than any other genre, making punk posers some of the saddest losers on the planet.
Punk was/is about the refusal to accept the mainstream, it's about doing it yourself regardless of lack of technical prowess. It's about picking up a guitar with a fistful of rage and writing music despite how many people tell you that you can't. It's not about huge record sales or tons of fans, it's about the experience. Punks were the true outlaws of the music scene, seeing hack pukes like Green Day marketed as punk makes me sick to my fucking stomach.
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« Reply #108 on: September 08, 2009, 09:00:31 am » |
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I see. Thanks for explaining.
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« Reply #109 on: September 08, 2009, 09:35:57 am » |
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*gets rich by selling "I'm so punk it hurts!" t-shirts*
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« Reply #110 on: September 08, 2009, 09:49:56 am » |
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I never got that sell-out thing. It's like "Oh my god, they play good music and have been recognized for it! HOW CAN THIS BE!?"
And "Oh my god, they're actually making a living of their music? THE CRIME!"
Yeah, I never got the sell-out thing... To me it's always been a question of whether they make something worth listening to or not. If yes, then listen, if no, then they can go fuck themselves.
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« Reply #111 on: September 08, 2009, 04:17:41 pm » |
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With me, Selling out is less changing your sound, more forgetting your original message. I'm sure that Green Day WANTED to be punk in the beginning, but when they started seeing those dollar signs, music took the back seat.
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At least, that's what I think.
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« Reply #112 on: September 08, 2009, 04:20:09 pm » |
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Sacrificing music for money is bad, I agree. But as long as they play as good, or better, while earning more money, I don't see the point in raging.
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« Reply #113 on: September 08, 2009, 05:09:43 pm » |
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I never got that sell-out thing. It's like "Oh my god, they play good music and have been recognized for it! HOW CAN THIS BE!?"
And "Oh my god, they're actually making a living of their music? THE CRIME!"
Yeah, I never got the sell-out thing... To me it's always been a question of whether they make something worth listening to or not. If yes, then listen, if no, then they can go fuck themselves.
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If you're gonna do that shit, do it about one of those ontario elections that always end in the cops chasing a rapist around a tim hortons or some shit.
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« Reply #114 on: September 08, 2009, 05:14:12 pm » |
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So you can't be passionate about getting money? As I said, I don't really care, as long as what I listen to is... well, worth listening to. Besides, I rarely listen to texts, so what someone sings about doesn't matter.
And selling out has at least four definitions I can think of. They all vary the details, and vary between genres.
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« Reply #115 on: September 08, 2009, 05:21:21 pm » |
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The formula for figuring out if a band is "punk" is very simple.
Major label = not punk. The two are completely 100% mutually exclusive.
Having performed any song or songs with the use of orchestral backing = not punk (the Ramones get a buy on this one because it was done at gun point, Phil Spector is a whack job...)
Other criteria can also be used to further whittle down your contendors but it's sort of like buying a Rolls Royce, if you have to ask...
No other genre is shot through with posers more than punk which is sad since punk is more about pure attitude than any other genre, making punk posers some of the saddest losers on the planet.
Punk was/is about the refusal to accept the mainstream, it's about doing it yourself regardless of lack of technical prowess. It's about picking up a guitar with a fistful of rage and writing music despite how many people tell you that you can't. It's not about huge record sales or tons of fans, it's about the experience. Punks were the true outlaws of the music scene, seeing hack pukes like Green Day marketed as punk makes me sick to my fucking stomach.
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« Reply #116 on: September 08, 2009, 07:15:41 pm » |
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Du.
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Du hast mich.
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« Reply #117 on: September 08, 2009, 09:02:18 pm » |
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Punk died with the Sex Pistols. 'Nuff said.  |
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« Reply #118 on: September 08, 2009, 10:47:50 pm » |
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Lambeth... You win.... The glory of all that is awesome.
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« Reply #119 on: September 09, 2009, 07:29:32 am » |
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